Although I already paid for an Australian arowana from Jon, he's not going to delievery it until July 18th, so I think there's time for me to gather so info.

Basically, I know all the carings and all that stuff (after you keep so many fish, it's all the same thing).

The question here is (as the title implies) hows their aggression level in general?

I'm getting mixed experiences which I'm thinking of buying something else instead of risking my other fishes getting beat up.

So share what you think (wether i should get it or not) and the A.A.A.

Thanks.

Depense on what fishes you want to keep it with...
If some large cichild then it should be fine....
Just don't let it be the biggest fish in the tank....

no, i'm not keeping it w/ large cichlids.

mainly wide bar tigers and catfishes.

i hear they are jerks,gotta watch what you put w/ them

i heard from many people that they get aggressive when older toward other fish that they have lived with or even just entered the tank but it cant be all of them that are like that.
my asian aro is a twat and goes for everything just to show whos boss and they are supposed to be less aggressive than jars so try it and see it may be down to luck.
dixon

i think i'll just take it. if it doesn't get along, I'm sure there's somewhere to put the bastard.

someone correct the spelling please, "aggression".

here's another suggestion: when we edit our threads, we can change our titles too.

Just don't plan on getting any more rays. Mine tried to kill my motoro on the first day. It's probably going to beat on everything in the tank including the tig and juruenses. It's also gonna outgrow that tank quick.

is the rumor about Australian arows getting on the cites list true?

Watch the Tigrinus...

Our Jar is kept with 3 other fish, a 15" Royal Knife that spends 90% of it's time in a tube, a Synodontis that does a good job of hiding, and a Pacu that looks like hamburger. Everything else has been either killed, or pretty damn near it.

i'm definitely going to keep a close watch over them.

cross your fingers for my fishes.

save up for a bigger tank.

why didn't i think of that? i have no space for a bigger tank. unlike you, i live in an apartment.

i live in an apartment as well...skip the jard. i think i am going to be selling mine sometime in the near future depending on how he behaves in my new bichir tank.

i mentioned some of this to you before, but ill add some to it. the jards are VERY aggressive, i think the exceptions are very very very very FEW and far between. mine is 8-9" or so, and i moved him out of my AU lungfish tank because i thought it may be picking on them (they were also picking on themselves, i later found out)...i put it in the gar-den. it has been in there for just 4 full days...one of the gars nipped at it and it lost some scales...pretty much figured on that one. BUT, since then, EVERY gar has some frayed fins to an extent, and the smallest gar in there is 11", the largest being 17"!!! the jard is a little punk and unless it gets along with the bichirs its going out.

your jard will attack your small tig, your dat, basically any of the fishes you have in there. the ornate may be ok. if you want them in one piece i suggest you talk to jon and get a different fish. its not worth the risk, and unless you have another tank to put it in, skip it.--
--solomon

Jon said the catfish will be fine. i only trust Jon because he has the actual fish on his hands instead of going in general.

i've talked to jon twice about this after taking your concerns Solomon (and others) but he assured me the aro will be fine.

now i'm waiting for his reply on how he'll coexist with tiger dats.

I have not been able to confirm that. Since there hasn't been a CITES meeting lately that I know of and it isn't on their official list I assume its hype being generated by a shady seller so he/she can boost prices.

Jon said they're getting rarer and the wholesale price went up.

my guess is that the 'rarity' is cyclical, so i wouldnt be worried about that. i believe all the jards that come in are farm raised in singapore or indonesia or something anyway.

although that could make them more appealing, i wouldnt recommend them still. from all that i have read and am now experiencing, i can say they are best either by themselves, or whatever fish they happen to decide not to kill (but just maim).

i heard they're all raised in Singapore and imported from there.

umm, i don't know, i'm still waiting for the reply but jon said dats are hardy so i guess i shouldn't worry too much.

hardy doesnt necessarily mean they put up with aggression well. i dont mean to harp on this issue too much, but i know how bad these jards can be, and its what would be best for the fishes too. gars are extremely hardy, and i have seen several jards just beat the crap out of them in various tanks...some jards even pick on catfish, other arows, etc etc.

jon saying dats are hardy doesnt really give any indication that they would get along well with the jard...and you still have the tig and some other fishes to worry about too dont you?

its just one of those things where you may have to find out for yourself, i think some of us are just trying to save you the trouble of putting it up for sale within a couple weeks. good luck whatever you decide to do--
--solomon

yea, i specifically told Jon that I'd hate to have troubles dealing with aggression (which is why there are no cichlids in my tank) but so far he said the catfish will be ok and the tiger dats are hardy.

still waiting for a more detailed explaination and reply.

jars and surface dwelling long fish like gars are trouble,,,,,

jars are nasty fish but they get more aggressive as they near 10-12 inches,,,

ming has a 60 gallon tank,, by the time the jar starts his nonsense he will be sold off because of mings mini tank...

actually, jardinis arent terribly surface dwelling fishes; they will hang out at all levels of the tank, i know you have probably seen more than i have; but i have observed several and talked to plenty of fish keepers and they have verified this. blacks/silvers are true surface dwelling arows, but the jards are definitely inhabitants of all levels of the tank.

ming, how big is the fish you are getting? if you just have a 60g tank, will it really even be worth it to keep a jard? they dont start showing good colors until they reach about 6-7" and at that size they are ready to cause trouble with any fish they choose. i've had/seen/heard from friends about jards attacking gars, bichirs, lungfish, catfish, and just about anything in between.

if its small enough it may work out, but that would have to be a pretty small jard...and at that point you may have to consider other tankmates picking on him. i just want to put that info out there so people know what the actual demeanor of this fish is like, you can obviously do whatever you choose.--
--solomon

i said jardini AND surface dwelling fish like gars do not mix well

jardini are a mid water fish

ok, i was going by the implication of what you said, since the two were grouped together. either way, i wouldnt even say that jars are midwater fishes...at least when as young as they will be when ming gets his. they seem to develop more into their midwater habits as they get older and larger, but when young will inhabit all levels of the tank...the ones i have seen and the one i own actually liked hanging out along the bottom, just off the substrate. they would of course dart all over the place, but i'd practically call them generically 'all-level' fish, which is what i was trying to say in the previous post. either way the jard isnt a good idea, but thats just my opinion.

NO COMMENT,,,,,,,

Easy fellas. You're both probably trying to say the same thing or similar and misunderstanding. Can we get a group hug?

Yeah, from what i'm getting is that Jon sais that it's small and by the time it poses any threat it will need it's own enclosure. Solomon sais is it worth it getting it if it won't show it's really beuty until it's big enough to kick butt in which case it will need it own enclosure.


I think I'am gettin this right

I can see both points...and I wouldn't fault Jon for selling to Ming. After all, it is Ming's choice and a store wouldn't say no to him if he walked in wanting to buy one.

The only thing I can say is that Jars generally don't start getting nice till they get some size on them. My Jar didn't start getting gorgeous till he was about 10", and that color has improved with ever inch gained. He also didn't start getting mean till about 8". At first it was just one fish he bullied, now it's everything that moved. The fish is pure demon spawn...

BUT, by the time all this happens, Ming will have to get rid of the fish. He'll miss the aggression, but he'll also miss out on the fish getting beautiful, so it's a double-edged sword.

...

exactly. i guess i was just trying to bring up the points as to why its not such a hot idea for ming to get the fish, but i obviously realize its his decision. i just thought i would save him some trouble since these fishes can really end up being a pain...unless you have a separate tank to keep them in by themselves...and we won't start on the tank status here, because i dont want to pick on ming any more about that. just trying to point out the practicality of the matter.

jon, i apologize if i came off as hostile or anything, i think we were coming from two opposite ends of the spectrum but trying to say similar things. i dont want to get in the way of you selling a fish to ming, i just figured perhaps another species would work better for him since, as mel pointed out, he'll have to give up the jard before it showed any great colors, etc. etc.

either way, no problems from my side, i just know that jards can be a pain in the ass sometimes...i really like mine, but will probably have to get rid of it for the reasons i was suggesting to ming to pass on that species and go for a different one. case closed from here

--solomon

If he really wants to enjoy these fish invest in a bigger tank and them when ou are more prepared then get it

Ming, get a Black, so by the time you have to get rid of it, you can give it to us and it can go live in the pond...

it had nothing to do with making a sale soloman i got the fish for ming as a special order,,,

it has everything to do with ming making decisions for ming

everyone should own at least one jar in my opinion

guess we'll see what he decides...anyone ready to take bets on how soon before it goes up on buy/sell/aquabid/whatever???

not nice,,,,
ming has issues as it is...........
u can send him a peaceful calm fish and it will be sold asap

its his hobby and his tank

I think everyone has made their points. Good luck with the Jar Ming, let me know when he's for sale I might be interested.