Ok, now, is it possible on this green earth that we live in for the following crosses to occur?

Silver x Black
Jardini x Asian
Jardini x Leichardti
Asian x Leichardti

Just wanted to know, as I found a number of similarities in the species that would possibly parent the cross. It's not that I want these. It's just that I'm curious, and to make sure I don't get duped into buying a hybrid that might cost less than the pure.

Not really sure as no one has probably done it except different asian arowana cross.

Agreed. And might I add, I hope it never happens. With the exception of Stingrays, I hate hybrids.

My two cents.

It could go either way. But honestly, why cross an Asian with any Aussie Aro? I mean, if you want to do that, there are cheap green aros and yellow tail aros to use that are likely to produce better looking fry when crossed with an RTG, Crossback, or Red.

The other two seem pallatable, but that's only if they make it work. Otherwise, there would be a number of people duped into buying a lower quality hybrid for the price of a pure species. (It's already happened with Endler's Guppies and Swordtails where the Guppies are actually part Poecilia Reticulata and the Swordtails are actually Swordtail/Platy crosses.)

Asian arowana farmer are very strict about crossing aros and they like pure breed as that's what people are demanding today. Not many people buy cross breed asian aro as they don't develop nicely compare to pure breed asian aros. Just like the yellow tail, banjar red and spendour asian aros they look crappy when they are adult. The only cross breed aro that I know that look nice are the HBRTG, HBRTG supreme and spendour harmony.

What's a splendour harmony's parentage?

What does HBRTG mean? I know Red-tail Golden is there, but what about HB?

And yeah, most people want purebred fish as they look more pleasing than most hybrids. Trust me. I've seen some of the Swordtail/Platy hybrids and they look disgusting.

RTGxXB and RTGxSuper Red has been done. Even GreenXred and Green X XB .the reason why the earlier two were done more frequently is due to the end product, which is better.

Asian aros crossing australian and south american aros wouldn't make sense economically and genetically..they are just simply too far apart to cross.(without using genetic modifying techniques.)

Genetically, I have no clue.

However, the two South Americans look so similar that I'm lead to believe something happened already.

Or, I've just been getting way over my head over this. (Wants to get pure black and pure leichardti)

Well, we cant know for sure until we actually see them

Anyway...HBRTG= RTG X XB

ah so HBRTG is really a RTG crossed with crossback. been wondering about that. thanks ckk!

btw AU_Arowana-SRG, 'HB' stands for 'High Back'.

So what about HBRTG supreme and spendour harmony? are they RTG crossed with xback as well? just better quality than the standard HBRTG?

They are all commercial names..supreme, special select, super highback...it just points out that the highback is a very high quality one(for a highback). Cross breeding will have the good and bad fish..so the really good ones will the selected out and to be sold at a higher price while the not so good ones, will be sold as highback

Splendour...it is a cross with super red aro.. Whether it is a rtg or xb...im not too sure due to the amount of farms making unique names for them.

But Red Splendour is a cross between a xb and a super red.. and RTG splendour is a cross between a rtg and a super red.

So, no love for the chilis and bloods in terms of usability for hybridization?

i see. thanks again ckk!


both of those would be considered 'super red'. Specifically which one is used, i'm not sure.

in any case, it seems the trend is not to talk about 'chili red' or 'blood red' anymore, as the distinction between the two are getting blurrier, so people seem to refer to any first grade red as 'super red' nowadays. pls correct me if i'm wrong though.

Chili and blood red are knows as super red.



Chili and blood red are knows as super red.

This what slendour harmony looks like. It cross between RED, GREEN and Xback.

So 1.5 red x Crossback. Looks good.

that aro looks good! nice to see it takes after the xback more

i'm surprised they include green in the mix. how consistent is the quality of this hybrid? is it hit or miss?

I dont agree. splendour(tong yan) is a cross between a red and a xb..

1st point...how to you get 3 fishes to mate?

2nd, have you seen an XB cross with green?it is rubbish.

3rd, Red cross with green will give u 1.5.

Dude I'm not that stupid that 3 aros would breed at the same time. Of course they breed 2 then the offspring when it grows breed it to the next selective breed again and again till they reach their goal. It took them a long to do this and Merlion is the only arowana farm the first did this type of aro. The purpose of creating splendour harmony is to represent the harmony of Singapore multi-racial, multi religion society and its vibrant & versatile lifestyle.

Contact Dreamfish (Merlion) and find that out yourself.

Don't have to. Crossing with green will cause the aro's colour to fade. Opps...Merlion is the only farm to do this? Well, in Malaysia, they are called as Tong Yan.

It has been well discussed in AF and none said about Green aros.

Do you have a problem, ckk? Cause honestly, I don't see where you are getting at.

Ok, so, anymore pics of the splendour? Looks like a good fish, but another pic would be nice. Would like to see it in other views.

It is merely to show that i disagree and that is a bad point. Do you have a problem with that?

http://arowanaclub.com/forum/showthread.ph...;threadid=29907

there is a thread over here about Tong Yan(also known as red splendour)

Unfortunately, your manner of speech and failure to deduce doesn't seem to show. Such was the case here and back in the Arowanas of the World Tank thread.

That said, how do the various grades/kinds/types of red arowana come about? Oh, and wouldn't RTGxVFSR be better for making a splendour?

Well, i am just making a point, if you dont like it, it is not my problem.

All are red arows..just with selective breeding, some can have spoon head, thin frame or thick frame.

RTGxSR(VSFR) has been crossed. It is called RTG splendour...by OTF if im not mistaken. However, the price is lower than that of a tong yan(XBxSR)

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthre...t=rtg+splendour

Red splendour (SR x Xback) is different from splendour harmony (Green, Red, Xback). Again they did not breed 3 at the same time. Red splendour came out first and they came out of the name splendour harmony when they were able to breed this type of arowana with all the bloodline of different asian arowanas.

Photos?any threads on this?

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthre...lendour+harmony

Well, here...even the owner calls it as red splendour(tong yan)

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthre...merlion+harmony

The Field report...RED cross with XB.

As I told you already contact Dreamfish (Merlion) and find that out yourself.

Just edited my post..dont have to. even Singaporean members said so..honestly, a green aro will cause the colour to be dull, it does not have the colour of a XB and the body of a Red..it is just not a good product. That is why i, GreenXRed=1.5(which is crap) and i've seen, XBxgreen..it is rubbish.the colour is way too dull for it to cost 2k sing dollars.

Get my point?names, farms always make them up. Red Splendour, Merlion Harmony, Tong Yan, Rose Gold and many more. They are basically RedxXB with different names!

Hey, even Reds have tonnes of names. VSFR,CR,BR,SR and many more. At the end of the day, it is still a Grade 1 red aro.

So, Panda Gold means Panda bear giving birth to Aros? like above, they are just regular HBRTG with a name by the farm.

I know what you mean but when Merlion was able to produce them (accidentally probably). They named it slpendour harmony. I know they are brand names. It's just that slpendour harmony are crossed aros that is being crossed again. They then continue to selective breed them till they got a better quality. Splendour harmony is not even that's expensive compare to a pure breed xback or other splendour type as it got a green aro's blood in it. In the Philippines they cost around 80600, while pure breed xback can go 86400+. Some look crappy and some look nice depend on the batch. Not all asian arowanas that are being breed will look nice even the parent were top quality.

ckk, you aren't making good points, then, if you take things too literally. I was asking if they would eat plants so that I could know what to avoid in getting. Anyone who has minimal knowledge of fish breeding should know that it is impossible for 3 fish like that to breed at the same time and is only possible with crosses to pures or crosses to crosses (As with the case of guppies).

Dude, your "points" aren't even getting across. And no, I don't have a problem. But seriously, try to change that.

And there's no way to distinguish the different 1st grade reds? Is there a 2nd grade?

I guess you dont know about aro's then..2nd grade is 1.5red

Just to point out..Grade 1 aros are all super reds.nothing to distinguish them. just that some have thick frame, some have thin.

As i said, if you dont like it, not my problem. For that thread, it got it wrongly. but for this thread..there is only 1 answer.

You guys havent answer me, have you seen greenxXB before?

Even the staff said, it is a cross between a Red and XB..you should change how your brain interpretes words...RED AND XB..not red and green and xb



Not accidentally, Tong Yans are bred to have the best of 2 aros, the intensity of XB and body of Super red. the genes of a green will destroy it.

Good point, but Tong Yan's price will always be lower than pure breed XB as many regard Tong Yans as a lottery fish..can go either way because some might have more Red or XB blood line in it.

well the arofanatics link ckk posted seems to suggest that it's a red x crossback. On the other hand, waterboy probably has his basis for saying it's a cross of all three color variants. obviously only one of the two can be true, so there's gotta be some miscommunication somewhere, either the staff was mistaken, or waterboy's source was mistaken.

if we wanna decide for ourselves, then logically speaking, having green in the bloodline will likely result in a lower quality fish. As said, most of the 1.5 red turns out like crap. However, it is certainly possible that you could end up with a decent looking 1.5 red, and crossing it with a xback could result in a good quality fish if the xback genes dominate (or in whichever order they cross them assuming its a cross of the three). i guess the chances of a good looking fish coming out of this is small, but still it's non-zero, so it's possible.

anyway, i guess the only way to find out for sure one way or another is to talk to the person(s) at Merlion who was actually responsible for the breeding. That imo would be the best source.

i don't know enough to pick a side, so just my 2 cents worth looking at both sides

I was recommending that to ckk to talk to Dreamfish (Merlion) as they are the source for splendour harmony. They only labeled them as "Harmony" when they see a good quality fish that came out from the batch. I agree with you that adding a green bloodline to red or xback will make an asian arowana to look like crap but not always. One will always stand out from the rest and and they will select that certain aro for future breed.

As for the green x xback, no their is not a green x back as they never tried it as it will turn crap.

No point. Even the OWNERS of the Merlion harmony said that it is RedxXB..what is there to confirm? i've provided the link for you to read. You can try and post there and ask.

I've seen, there are plenty of backyard farms in Malaysia and they did cross XB and green..it was crap.

Actually, I do know about aros. However, I wanted to ask whether there was another grade of red. (Sheesh, man. You didn't need to go as far as saying that I don't know about Aros.)

Also, yes. I've seen what was called a "Crossback Green" in some petstore here in Cebu. Costs about 7,600 pesos. In all honesty, the cross took away some of the crossback golden shine and made the fish overall darker. Personally, I found that one ok, though.