Hello everyone,
I come to this side of the forum because I am hoping to purchase an australian arowana soon since they are about to be in season. I originally wanted to put a datnoid in as a tank mate, but some people suggested that it might not be a good idea. Does anyone have experience in this and have found success? Ive seen video and pictures of datnoids living with arowanas, but i started to notice that i dont remember seeing on with an aussie. I'm hoping not to have to keep my arowana isolated, cuase that would be a pretty dull tank. Plus, i'd rather have a datnoid in instead of an oscar
Also, does anyone have suggestions for tanks mates for the arowana? my clown loaches will probably be outgrown within a year or 2 so i need to find a replacement before they get eaten. I'm lookin for an alternative to the shovel nosed cat that is so common. and the redtail cat gets too big. any suggestions?
Thanks for all the kind help
Full Version: Compatible tank mate with Australian Arowanas
What kind of ausie aro do have, jardini or leichardti? For the jardini you can't mix it with other as it will kill the its tank mates. If you do want to mix this fish with other fish you need a really really big tank and have lots of big fish that can defend themselves. I mixed jardini with asian aros before in an outdoor pond back in asia. For the leichardti they have the same aggresion as the asian aros.
How big is your tank btw and how big is the ausie aro?
How big is your tank btw and how big is the ausie aro?
Thanks for the quick response. I am planning on getting the jardini. is this fish destined to be by itself? My tank as of now is 125 gallons. I'm planning to get a bigger tank in like 2 or 3 years so the fishes could have more space once they get a bit older.
My datnoid is about 2.5 inches at the moment. Might turn it in for a 4 inch one since it grows a bit slow so i want it to have a head start on growth so the arowana wont eat it. I'm planning on buying the arowana soon. They come in the local stores around 3 inches long. I was hoping that if i raise these fishes together since they were young, they wouldnt have problem sharing a tank. I would probably want a catfish, bichir or gars also. do you think its a good idea?
Thanks for all the help in advance
My datnoid is about 2.5 inches at the moment. Might turn it in for a 4 inch one since it grows a bit slow so i want it to have a head start on growth so the arowana wont eat it. I'm planning on buying the arowana soon. They come in the local stores around 3 inches long. I was hoping that if i raise these fishes together since they were young, they wouldnt have problem sharing a tank. I would probably want a catfish, bichir or gars also. do you think its a good idea?
Thanks for all the help in advance
The jar will out grow the datnoid. 125G would be good for the jar, but if u want a big tank then its even more better.
What kind of catfish, bichirs, gars are you getting?
What kind of catfish, bichirs, gars are you getting?
Should i trade in for the bigger datnoid then? the 4 inch one?
I'm not sure what type of cats, bichirs, or gars I'm getting. any suggestions?
i really dont want a tank just for the arowana. I wanted a variety for fishes. I know the silver and less aggressive but i dont like the way they look, and the asians are just too expensive for me
I'm not sure what type of cats, bichirs, or gars I'm getting. any suggestions?
i really dont want a tank just for the arowana. I wanted a variety for fishes. I know the silver and less aggressive but i dont like the way they look, and the asians are just too expensive for me
Go for green asian aro. They don't cost too much compare to other asian aro, or you can save some money and buy a RTG. You'll like to lost you fish as the jar will start to kill them as it grows. They become aggresive at 7". I can't suggest you any tank mates for your jar right now.
I havea 6" jar with a 4" irwini right now. The jar is pretty mean....
I have 10 inch jar in with an ornate bichir and a bristle nose pleco and they are all doing great, when my jar has killed a rohm, and peacock bass when it was with its last owner. Yeah they are worth while fish you just have to pick your tank mates well, something thats not pricey so why he gets pissy if he kills it your not out a bunch but something tough so they dont get ripped open if he descided to give a little love bite.
Coel
Coel
why would u have a rhom and a jardini together?
Does anyone have a Jardini with a Datnoid experience? I'm hoping someone could vouche for it working out
There is a video on You Tube with a Jar and a DAT in the same tank, but not sure how it worked out long. I think they belon to a guy over on MFK.
Chad used to have a real nice Jar in his tank and I think it may hold Dats now. Not sure if he still has the Jar or the Dats in the same tank.
I am considering it with my 12" Dat and a small <7" Jar to see if I can do it also.
From what I've seen the Jars attitiude gets worse towards tankmates the smaller the tank. Bigger tanks may lead to less aggression. And by bigger I mean 400+g.
Chad used to have a real nice Jar in his tank and I think it may hold Dats now. Not sure if he still has the Jar or the Dats in the same tank.
I am considering it with my 12" Dat and a small <7" Jar to see if I can do it also.
From what I've seen the Jars attitiude gets worse towards tankmates the smaller the tank. Bigger tanks may lead to less aggression. And by bigger I mean 400+g.
I've tried this before they keep fighting. No one backs down , they will only stop when its feeding time or when they get tired. I separated the jar as both fish looks beat up badly. They recover and now they are ok and doing great. The jar is still in on its own.
that bad huh?
I'm assumin there's no one in this community that has success? not even bottom dwelling fishes or the fast tinfoil barbs? I always thought the datnoid would be aggressive enough to be left alone =/
I'm assumin there's no one in this community that has success? not even bottom dwelling fishes or the fast tinfoil barbs? I always thought the datnoid would be aggressive enough to be left alone =/
QUOTE(phophet714 @ Jan 15 2008, 01:03 AM) 
that bad huh?
I'm assumin there's no one in this community that has success? not even bottom dwelling fishes or the fast tinfoil barbs? I always thought the datnoid would be aggressive enough to be left alone =/
I'm assumin there's no one in this community that has success? not even bottom dwelling fishes or the fast tinfoil barbs? I always thought the datnoid would be aggressive enough to be left alone =/
I've tried large bichirs the jars doesn't seem to bother them make sure not to put just one bichir. Put as many bichirs as the tank can provide.
My jar is about 8" and he doesnt both bichirs or catfish, but anything in his water column is fair game. I have read that it gets worse as they get bigger, so I dont know how much longer it will work, but for now its ok. I have a P. niger that is about as long as he is and hides under driftwood, so I think he will be ok for a while. Plus its a tough fish.
I was also thinkin about adding some bichirs with the jardini. any suggestions on what type i should add? also, can anyone tell me their growth rate? like how big should they be if im plannin to add a juvenille jardini around 3-4 inches? thanks in advance
I think you are going to end up regretting it if you try and keep them in the same tank.
Any way you go. be it you buy a 12'' Dat and a small Jar. The Jar will grow really fast kick the crap out of the Dat or the Dat will cower all it's life until you remove it from the tank. Why put a fish through that. It's not worth it and it's not right.
I tried once and sold the Jar. It was not taking to any fish even bottom dwellers were being attacked. I have a TSN who has never grown back one of it's fins thanks to the Jar.
You have lots people here telling you it wont work. These people know what they are talking about they are not trying to rain on your parade. They are trying to help you and make sure you have only good experiences. It might work out for a short time, but in the end you will have to seperate them.
Why do you want to try this so badly?
Any way you go. be it you buy a 12'' Dat and a small Jar. The Jar will grow really fast kick the crap out of the Dat or the Dat will cower all it's life until you remove it from the tank. Why put a fish through that. It's not worth it and it's not right.
I tried once and sold the Jar. It was not taking to any fish even bottom dwellers were being attacked. I have a TSN who has never grown back one of it's fins thanks to the Jar.
You have lots people here telling you it wont work. These people know what they are talking about they are not trying to rain on your parade. They are trying to help you and make sure you have only good experiences. It might work out for a short time, but in the end you will have to seperate them.
Why do you want to try this so badly?
QUOTE(phophet714 @ Jan 15 2008, 04:03 AM)
that bad huh?
I'm assumin there's no one in this community that has success? not even bottom dwelling fishes or the fast tinfoil barbs? I always thought the datnoid would be aggressive enough to be left alone =/
I'm assumin there's no one in this community that has success? not even bottom dwelling fishes or the fast tinfoil barbs? I always thought the datnoid would be aggressive enough to be left alone =/
Datnoids are not aggressive fish. At least I dont find them to be aggressive. Ok towards each other they can be, but towards other fish I have only seen it once. My largest NGT killed 4 Tems. I think it was just a freak accident. Other then that the only fish mine are aggressive towards are fish ment to be eaten.
Dats dont do well in a stressful environment. They dont look good, eat well or grow like they should. If you want Datnoids then make a Datnoid friendly tank for them. They are the kind of fish that have to be pampered in a way. Being that you wan to have really nice Datnoids. You can throw them in a tank with mismatched tank mates and end up with a fish you dont see that offten because all it does is hide.
well, i wanted a community arowana tank. I don't like how the silver/black ones look and the asian is too expensive for a college student at the moment. I know the odds are against me, but there are people who had a comm tank before. some even had jardini with discus, which are not aggressive at all. I was also able to keep a jardini and a silver together for about 2 years until one of them died of natural causes. I'm here on this forum tryin to catch the attention of someone who has had success in the past and/or still do and willing to share some advice.
I thank you for your opinion, and even though people are skeptical, I'd still like to hear what people have to say. I'll have another tank soon in about a year, just around the time where people say i should be the most cautious. I'll also have a tank seperator soon so i'll be fully ready for any problems that will occur. I'm just determined to have some tank mates with my arowana, thats all.
I thank you for your opinion, and even though people are skeptical, I'd still like to hear what people have to say. I'll have another tank soon in about a year, just around the time where people say i should be the most cautious. I'll also have a tank seperator soon so i'll be fully ready for any problems that will occur. I'm just determined to have some tank mates with my arowana, thats all.
Do you live in Canada? if so do you live in Ontario?
I could point you in the right direction if yu want a green for a really good price. I am talking less than 200 with cert. Nothing illegal here LOL
I could point you in the right direction if yu want a green for a really good price. I am talking less than 200 with cert. Nothing illegal here LOL
Asian aro prices are now going down. I just bought a 14" green aro im my lfs that came from Wan hu. The price was $200, but I got a discount and I only paid $150.
QUOTE(waterboy @ Jan 24 2008, 08:27 PM)
Asian aro prices are now going down. I just bought a 14" green aro im my lfs that came from Wan hu. The price was $200, but I got a discount and I only paid $150.
Sounds about right for a previously owned green Aro. I bought mine that was 18'' at the time for $200. He is from Xian Leng.
if they are just brought in it would be hard to get one for less than $200. Those guy's pay extra on top of the price of the fish that is the only reason. Trade in's are definitley cheaper.
No i dont =/. I live in Southern California, USA =/. green arowana here are running for $350 for about 3 inches =(. very unaffordable for me. jardinis are only $30 for now until they get larger. so i mean, that seems like the best option for me financially. tough luck that its the most aggressive of them all
wow.. really? that cheap? dam my friend got ripped off then. He goes to LA to purchase them since in my area, the LFS doesnt carry them. I wonder if 3-4 inches would be like $100 or less. that would be great if they are =)
Asian aro are suppose to be illegal in the U.S. Do they have cert?
Does anyone have any experience with large leichardti's and tankmates? I know that they are not quite as aggressive as the jars, but I dont really know much about them. I have a small one, about 4" that is growing quickly.
QUOTE(holmes14 @ Jan 12 2008, 01:03 AM)
why would u have a rhom and a jardini together?
I didn't have them together, the fish I saved, from my friend. He got bored of it so he bought a rohm to kill it and a peacock bass after that. Then I got it off of him for $20 at 6 inches. I would never keep fish like that together I love my fish for their beauty.
Coel
QUOTE(waterboy @ Jan 24 2008, 11:12 PM)
Asian aro are suppose to be illegal in the U.S. Do they have cert?
Yes, they are illegal...so if anyone buys or sees one for sale in the US, even with a "cert," it's still against the law.
About the original question, Jardinis are just plain nasty. I had one that was raised in a community setting til about 10". He then ended up in a tank all by himself. He killed or near killed every fish that was ever kept with him.
And someone said they heard about keeping Jardinis with Discus? Yeah, no....
QUOTE(Dracofish @ Feb 6 2008, 04:48 PM)
Yes, they are illegal...so if anyone buys or sees one for sale in the US, even with a "cert," it's still against the law.
I actually had a guy offer me a Green out of Pitt, PA for $600 the other day. But the risk is just not worth it. Besides a green is almost identical to a Jar.
I'm trying a Jar with my Dat and so far so good but he is only 7" long. I have the divider laid out just in case.
Please let me know how that turns out 95Harley.Please let us know how it works out 95Harley. Give us hope =)
QUOTE(phophet714 @ Jan 10 2008, 03:32 AM)
Hello everyone,
I come to this side of the forum because I am hoping to purchase an australian arowana soon since they are about to be in season. I originally wanted to put a datnoid in as a tank mate, but some people suggested that it might not be a good idea. Does anyone have experience in this and have found success? Ive seen video and pictures of datnoids living with arowanas, but i started to notice that i dont remember seeing on with an aussie. I'm hoping not to have to keep my arowana isolated, cuase that would be a pretty dull tank. Plus, i'd rather have a datnoid in instead of an oscar
Also, does anyone have suggestions for tanks mates for the arowana? my clown loaches will probably be outgrown within a year or 2 so i need to find a replacement before they get eaten. I'm lookin for an alternative to the shovel nosed cat that is so common. and the redtail cat gets too big. any suggestions?
I have a 3" Jardini and I have it with eight blood parrots. They seem just fine. The Jardini just starts getting aggressive when I don't feed it one day. But other than that, they are awesome fish. I have gone through many Jardinis. And the coolest thing is they will eat right out of your hand!
Thanks for all the kind help
I come to this side of the forum because I am hoping to purchase an australian arowana soon since they are about to be in season. I originally wanted to put a datnoid in as a tank mate, but some people suggested that it might not be a good idea. Does anyone have experience in this and have found success? Ive seen video and pictures of datnoids living with arowanas, but i started to notice that i dont remember seeing on with an aussie. I'm hoping not to have to keep my arowana isolated, cuase that would be a pretty dull tank. Plus, i'd rather have a datnoid in instead of an oscar
Also, does anyone have suggestions for tanks mates for the arowana? my clown loaches will probably be outgrown within a year or 2 so i need to find a replacement before they get eaten. I'm lookin for an alternative to the shovel nosed cat that is so common. and the redtail cat gets too big. any suggestions?
I have a 3" Jardini and I have it with eight blood parrots. They seem just fine. The Jardini just starts getting aggressive when I don't feed it one day. But other than that, they are awesome fish. I have gone through many Jardinis. And the coolest thing is they will eat right out of your hand!
Thanks for all the kind help
QUOTE(phophet714 @ Feb 6 2008, 11:51 PM)
Please let me know how that turns out 95Harley.Please let us know how it works out 95Harley. Give us hope =)
So far so good, my Jar is around 10" and still no problems.....fingers crossed.
My Jar is mean as hell. Takes some really big peacocks, grouped up to handle him.
QUOTE(Chad @ May 18 2008, 11:10 PM)
My Jar is mean as hell. Takes some really big peacocks, grouped up to handle him.
Well I'm just hoping mines a wuss, if he kills my 13" Widebar I'll be PISSED!
youve all got me a bit worried. i have an 8" jar with two 4" frontosa 5 giant danio's 3 1" clown barbs a 8" african lung a 4" synodontis alberti and 2 3' plecos all in a 100g, so far everyone is peachy, the jar sometimes puts the frontosa in check when they get out of line but other then that its one big happy family. So do you suppose this aro is going to kill my other fish. i have had several large silver arows with no problems. What do you think?
QUOTE(waters954 @ Jun 1 2008, 01:31 AM)
youve all got me a bit worried. i have an 8" jar with two 4" frontosa 5 giant danio's 3 1" clown barbs a 8" african lung a 4" synodontis alberti and 2 3' plecos all in a 100g, so far everyone is peachy, the jar sometimes puts the frontosa in check when they get out of line but other then that its one big happy family. So do you suppose this aro is going to kill my other fish. i have had several large silver arows with no problems. What do you think?
Jar is completely different from a silver. But some are less aggressive than others also.
Well here is my current tank:
(1) Jar Aro - 8"
(5) Tri Color Shark's - 3.5 " each
(1) Albino Choc Pleco - 3"
(1) Common Pleco - 4"
(1) Clown Knife - @8"
(1) Needle Gar - 6"
(1) Elec. Cat - 6"
This is all in an over filtered 55 gal. I know, I know I am currently trying to get at least a 125.
right now they are all babies, But anyway here is how they get along:
Aro has some days when he bothers no one, other days he spars with the Knife, yet other days he just takes occasional nips at sharks. sharks are too fast so he never catches them. The Cat comes out at night and EVERYONE respects him...lol they all go topside except the PLecos which the elec cat seems to actually enjoy thier company. I have noticed that as long as they all have swimming space and are well fed aggression is low. If you miss a feeding well then its "Get Ready to Rumble".
If you want to see what they look like or watch thier progress the blog on our tanks can be found at this URL: http://tanks4thememories.blogspot.com/
(1) Jar Aro - 8"
(5) Tri Color Shark's - 3.5 " each
(1) Albino Choc Pleco - 3"
(1) Common Pleco - 4"
(1) Clown Knife - @8"
(1) Needle Gar - 6"
(1) Elec. Cat - 6"
This is all in an over filtered 55 gal. I know, I know I am currently trying to get at least a 125.
right now they are all babies, But anyway here is how they get along:
Aro has some days when he bothers no one, other days he spars with the Knife, yet other days he just takes occasional nips at sharks. sharks are too fast so he never catches them. The Cat comes out at night and EVERYONE respects him...lol they all go topside except the PLecos which the elec cat seems to actually enjoy thier company. I have noticed that as long as they all have swimming space and are well fed aggression is low. If you miss a feeding well then its "Get Ready to Rumble".
If you want to see what they look like or watch thier progress the blog on our tanks can be found at this URL: http://tanks4thememories.blogspot.com/
My 9-10" Jar, 14" Widebar Dat, and 14"+ Gar are all still happy and healthy in theri 180g.
I didn't see much aggression out of my Jardini til it hit about 12". That seems to be the generel experience. They get nastier the bigger they get.
QUOTE(Dracofish @ Aug 19 2008, 04:09 PM)
I didn't see much aggression out of my Jardini til it hit about 12". That seems to be the generel experience. They get nastier the bigger they get.
My jar must be over 12 inches now and he still lives with a featherfin catfish and a group of oddball plecos. They seem fine but he sometimes chases the large Synodontis catfish.
QUOTE (waters954 @ Jun 1 2008, 01:31 PM)
youve all got me a bit worried. i have an 8" jar with two 4" frontosa 5 giant danio's 3 1" clown barbs a 8" african lung a 4" synodontis alberti and 2 3' plecos all in a 100g, so far everyone is peachy, the jar sometimes puts the frontosa in check when they get out of line but other then that its one big happy family. So do you suppose this aro is going to kill my other fish. i have had several large silver arows with no problems. What do you think?
Wait a minute...ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE AN AFRO LUNG IN THAT TANK WITH A JAR? Aren't Afro lungs more dangerous to other fish?
And as far as I am concerned, the only community Jardini setup you would want to consider would probably have to have some other large/equally aggressive (More or less fish) . At this point, I can't say anything because I (and my mother and late grandfather) have only kept Silvers separately. But judging from the comments of waterboy, unless you can gain something of good size and who isn't a pushover, you might end up using a certain amount of space for 1 fish.
QUOTE (tanks4thememories @ Aug 15 2008, 07:48 PM)
Well here is my current tank:
(1) Jar Aro - 8"
(5) Tri Color Shark's - 3.5 " each
(1) Albino Choc Pleco - 3"
(1) Common Pleco - 4"
(1) Clown Knife - @8"
(1) Needle Gar - 6"
(1) Elec. Cat - 6"
This is all in an over filtered 55 gal. I know, I know I am currently trying to get at least a 125.
right now they are all babies, But anyway here is how they get along:
Aro has some days when he bothers no one, other days he spars with the Knife, yet other days he just takes occasional nips at sharks. sharks are too fast so he never catches them. The Cat comes out at night and EVERYONE respects him...lol they all go topside except the PLecos which the elec cat seems to actually enjoy thier company. I have noticed that as long as they all have swimming space and are well fed aggression is low. If you miss a feeding well then its "Get Ready to Rumble".
If you want to see what they look like or watch thier progress the blog on our tanks can be found at this URL: http://tanks4thememories.blogspot.com/
(1) Jar Aro - 8"
(5) Tri Color Shark's - 3.5 " each
(1) Albino Choc Pleco - 3"
(1) Common Pleco - 4"
(1) Clown Knife - @8"
(1) Needle Gar - 6"
(1) Elec. Cat - 6"
This is all in an over filtered 55 gal. I know, I know I am currently trying to get at least a 125.
right now they are all babies, But anyway here is how they get along:
Aro has some days when he bothers no one, other days he spars with the Knife, yet other days he just takes occasional nips at sharks. sharks are too fast so he never catches them. The Cat comes out at night and EVERYONE respects him...lol they all go topside except the PLecos which the elec cat seems to actually enjoy thier company. I have noticed that as long as they all have swimming space and are well fed aggression is low. If you miss a feeding well then its "Get Ready to Rumble".
If you want to see what they look like or watch thier progress the blog on our tanks can be found at this URL: http://tanks4thememories.blogspot.com/
WOW...... just WOW. Not only is that tank too small,(which I know that you know.) but an electric catfish to boot! I'm surprised that any of your other fish are still alive and not crispy by now. I don't think that will end well. As for Jars', they really only start to get bad at around 12'' and then it's progressively worse. There was a local Glass Aquarium, Pond Specialist store where I used to live that had a full grown female Jardini. She was in a large ( 480gal I think ) and she was so aggressive that she would jump out of her tank every so often chasing people who would tap on her glass. Mostly disrespectful kids and what not. This would lead to an immediate closing of the store until she was safely back in the tank . She was a beauty to behold, but aggressive as hell. She would follow anyone near her tank and bite at the glass even if you were not provoking her. They had tried all types of tank mated with her through the years, and sooner or later she killed them all. It's almost like she would tolerate some Plecos, and Synodontis until she got bored of them and then death to all. Amazing fish, completely psycho.
Jars are funny fish....one will be ultra aggressive, the next will tolerate tankmates. My 24 inch Jar left a tank of fish alone, rare to no issues.
i kept 2 jardinis in the past...it will simply thrash any other fish in the tank..
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