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ok,i have had 2 silver aros in the past,and both ended up getting droop eye,drop eye,popeye,what ever,depending on who you talk to.and depending on the person,they have some pretty interesting theorys on how it comes to be.any thing from diet,like too much fay,on guys said too much protien,one said its becase it was in w/ a cat fish,and it was looking at the cat fish,one said it was a tumor.so,any suggestions as to how to prevent it,as i am getting another soon,aand would like to avoid it if pssable.oh,and they both only got it in one eye. suggestions please.
droop eye cause?
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 02:31 PM
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 02:36 PM
Although fatty diet will can cause it, most people actually believe that it has something to do with genetics of the fish, and being inbred. A possible way to get one without it is getting a wild caught silver aro, although this may be a tricky task.
I do know that some people have cured it by putting the fish in a pond or a tank and covering up the sides so only the top shows.
I do know that some people have cured it by putting the fish in a pond or a tank and covering up the sides so only the top shows.
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 02:43 PM
i see, i have also heard the genetics theory,forgot to mention that.i was mostly feding the last one i had shrimp,and krill,and some pellets.oh,and when ever we had fresh fish for dinner, he would get a small chunk of that aswell.is that too much fat?
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 03:33 PM
Drop eye is a very common occurance with Silvers kept in captivity today. Most will develop it in at least one eye at around 12". My 23" one had it in one eye and he was fed the very best of diets. I believe that it has to do with the fact that Silver Aros are now being mass produced on farms. This obviously will lower the gene pool which could lead to a genetic predisposition towards the condition. Drop eye is still only common with Silvers and some color morphs of Asians, which are both massively captive bred. Jardini Aros are also now being bred on farms, so in time they will also probably develop the condition.
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 03:33 PM
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has anyone here ever seen a black arowana, jardini, or leichardti arowana with drop eye?
how come we only see silvers and asians with bad drop eye?
how come we 99% of the arowanas with bad overbites are either silvers or asians(mostly reds)?
hmmmm
and why am i seeing more and more silver arowanas with spoonheads nowadays, same with asian aros. back in the day asians had flat heads. people who are old school know what i mean. nowadays they have more or a spoonhead even crossbacks?
could it be inbreeding, i think silvers and asians are the only aros that are mass bred with limited parent stock. i bet when they grow out silvers from babies to breed they use a whole brood from the same parents..........and we all know the asian arowanas in breeding farms are from a small f1 founder stock of original wild fish that were collected to start the programs. why is it that the most popular and abundant asian arowana the green has the least defects like over bite drop eye spoonhead etc etc?? why is it that reds have the most,hmm could it be the constant selective inbreeding to get better red color from the babies. also do not confuse the chilli red with spoonhead as a defect that is natural and some rtg have natural spoonhead as well but xback and green should NEVER have a spoon. neither should a silver.
just some interesting observations i have made through the years.........
how come we only see silvers and asians with bad drop eye?
how come we 99% of the arowanas with bad overbites are either silvers or asians(mostly reds)?
hmmmm
and why am i seeing more and more silver arowanas with spoonheads nowadays, same with asian aros. back in the day asians had flat heads. people who are old school know what i mean. nowadays they have more or a spoonhead even crossbacks?
could it be inbreeding, i think silvers and asians are the only aros that are mass bred with limited parent stock. i bet when they grow out silvers from babies to breed they use a whole brood from the same parents..........and we all know the asian arowanas in breeding farms are from a small f1 founder stock of original wild fish that were collected to start the programs. why is it that the most popular and abundant asian arowana the green has the least defects like over bite drop eye spoonhead etc etc?? why is it that reds have the most,hmm could it be the constant selective inbreeding to get better red color from the babies. also do not confuse the chilli red with spoonhead as a defect that is natural and some rtg have natural spoonhead as well but xback and green should NEVER have a spoon. neither should a silver.
just some interesting observations i have made through the years.........
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 05:23 PM
thats a good post and i agree my green is a perfect old school asian aro shape.
its mouth is a perfect fit and its head is flat with a gentle slope down from its back.
it also has perfect pectorals and the only bad feature is its tail but that is from a jump and the healing process.
i do beleive it is due to the inbreeding that occurs with these fish.
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its mouth is a perfect fit and its head is flat with a gentle slope down from its back.
it also has perfect pectorals and the only bad feature is its tail but that is from a jump and the healing process.
i do beleive it is due to the inbreeding that occurs with these fish.
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Posted 27 July 2004 - 12:38 AM
i definitely agree with the genetics theory; i'm not looking forward to mine getting it, but we'll see when the time comes.
mel, when did your silver start to show the signs? what size/age? widepud? --
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Posted 27 July 2004 - 10:03 AM
About 12"
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Posted 27 July 2004 - 10:35 AM
I was just thinking as I was reading this how cool it'd be to get some W/C silvers and start a new breeding program so I can have F1's to sell to the masses.
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Posted 27 July 2004 - 10:39 AM
wow, 12"??? i dont think thats too far off for my silver 
haha, rich, let me know if you get any W/C's i have a buddy who must have gotten one a while back, because his silver is huge, has some great colors, but no signs of drop eye at all. maybe ill just get a silver from that LFS at some point--
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ps--do you guys still have the silver that had the drop eye? if not, what happened to it?
haha, rich, let me know if you get any W/C's i have a buddy who must have gotten one a while back, because his silver is huge, has some great colors, but no signs of drop eye at all. maybe ill just get a silver from that LFS at some point--
--solomon
ps--do you guys still have the silver that had the drop eye? if not, what happened to it?
